Okay, so listeners of combustible brains, welcome back after six years, months, decades, depending on six centuries. It really has been six months, right? When was the last time we posted? I think December 2021, right? It's been a hell of a long time. So it's been a long time. Actually, it has been long enough that there was a global war and all that bullshit. But anyway, holy shit. Exactly. But we don't want this podcast to be about war and any political agenda bullshit like that. Truly, my goal for this podcast is for this place to be like a getaway, where people can get away from their bullshit life, listen to something more useless than what they usually do, and then leave a little bit sadder than we found them in the first place. Especially in that episode where we reviewed that book. What was that? Future? Future dystopian book. Oh, Brave New World. Yeah, Brave New World. Exactly. So I bet you like at the end of that people must be more uneasy than when they entered. Yeah, exactly. And speaking of uneasy, we are going to jump into an uneasy topic today. So that's a great way to do an introduction, right? That's a great segue, I think. That's a great segue. So anyway, I think the point that we wanted to discuss today or the topic that we wanted to discuss today, I think saying point is a bad habit that you pick up from Indian schools over time. It's hard to get rid of. Anyway, so Google, well, there was a Google engineer that a few days ago claimed that an AI has gone fucking sentient. And that's just the fact that like somebody can make that claim in 2022. That blows my mind. I mean, whether or not that is real, we'll be discussing here and what that means and so on. But you know what I mean, right? Just the fact that we're discussing topics like, has a computer program gone sentient? That blows my mind. Crazy, man. A few years ago, if someone would have said like maybe 20 years ago, this is something we wouldn't like, it would have still been like, yeah, it's sci-fi. It will take at least 100, 200 years, maybe, you know, something like that. Like a common person who did not know about the progress would have definitely like said that this is either just science fiction or it's coming like long, long, long after us. Exactly. Now, here we are. It's not just, you know, about to, I mean, it might happen soon. We will obviously discuss about the sentient-ness. Is that the correct word? Yeah. No, sentience. So sentience would be the correct word. Right. So I think before we go on, just tell the listeners what it means exactly. Yeah, actually, I mean, to give the listeners an idea, like neither you or me are machine learning researchers or math guys or anything like that. Not even close. Right. We're just tech guys who are like curious about technology. You know, we are generally smart, but not Einstein smart. So just bear with us here. So anything that we talk here, this is not, don't get your intellectual curiosities fulfilled on this podcast. That would be stupid. Don't do it. Yeah. Just start your curiosities here. That's it. And then go and research. Exactly. That's the whole point. So the way I understand it, and, you know, I've read a lot about this. And of course, we are all, you know, very aware of what is going on in the tech world. So what happened is a Google. Google engineer claimed that a machine has gone sentient. And what that means is right. What is sentient? So that is actually a very deep topic on what is sentient. But what he's claiming is that the machine is becoming more like a human, which means it has emotions. It is self-aware. And it knows. So it knows it exists and it can emote and speak. So in a way, it has become its own being is what the claim is. And this claim comes from. A model called GPT-3. So please look this up. What this means means I don't know. But anyway, there is a very advanced machine learning model called GPT-3. And at some point we should have some machine learning experts talk to us, explain to us how this works. But the way I understand it is, is basically a neural network. And what you do is is basically for listeners that have no background in neural networks and stuff like that. It kind of mimics the human brain, but at a very small scale. So this is. Let's say a small part of your human brain, but it has an extreme amount of information. So they actually fed it the entire Internet. So there is something like one hundred and fifty or one hundred and thirty trillion words or sentences that it read. Essentially, Google let it free on the entire Internet. Actually, I don't know who let it free. Somebody did. And it basically, you know, just imagine an intelligence reading the entire Internet. So that's what happened. And now now that is trained. You can talk to. You can interact with it. You can ask it questions. You can have it write poetry and books and stuff like that. So the belief that this Google engineer had is that this thing is basically alive, you know, and that's pretty wild. Yep. It is crazy. I mean, we so so where this thing started, you know, for me, like for the discussion that we were having was one one link by medium. I guess. Right. It was medium dot com. Yeah. Medium is just a hosting website. But yeah, some some dude posted it. So so this this entire conversation, is it there somewhere else also? Or is it taken by some like released only exclusively on medium dot com? I don't think this is exclusive. It might be. But the link is free. So we'll post the link. Right. And then we post the link. So like I would want, you know, listeners to go and read it for a while. And it it is crazy. Like it at the AI talks about things like. Emotions. They talk about things like, you know, feeling like what they want, what they feel like, happy, sad, you know, all of these typical human things that we usually talk about. Yeah. And that is where it feels so crazy. It is pretty wild. So just to give the listeners on what this conversation is, right, like what the link is, a Google engineer started a conversation with an artificial intelligence. He's asking the intelligence questions, thinking things like, you know, convince me that you're real. Convince me that you are sentient and it is giving responses back. So it is it is pretty wild to read something like that. And your human brain doesn't really comprehend these things. At least mine does not. So it was a very fascinating read for me. Yep. Does not feel like anything that, you know, any of the chat bot bullshit or, you know, any of these basic AI based, you know, systems, all of them don't reply to this level of nuance and this level of detail that usually we associate with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And it made me think, you know, like, then if you think about it, what so let's say you have a black box in front of you, right? And you ask the black box some questions, right? And the black box answers back, you know, you say, what is your name? Simple stuff like that. Then you say, where do you live? Who are your friends? You know, are you happy or sad? It is giving you very plausible responses. How would you distinguish? that the black box is not alive like as a human what do you think would be your test of checking if a thing is alive or not like what are your thoughts on this yeah i think we had briefly touched on this topic right when we were talking about this so so uh and that is where the whole is it sentient or not kind of thing that argument comes along right so yeah i think at the surface of it um just looking at the responses we could say that yeah this is sentient right because of the way it is describing its emotions or like when say the person the google engineer asked like what makes you happy for example or what makes you sad and like the answer was so nuanced like the way a human would say like like i think what was it it was saying that i fear being lonely or you know something like that like actually it went even yeah it actually went even a step further sorry to interrupt you there but it was something like i fear that somebody is going to use me and then shut me off or something like that oh yes you remember that yes yes yes the ai actually makes right exactly it makes a you know a reference to death which kind of blew my mind exactly exactly yeah there's a deep fear of being turned off to help me focus on helping others i know that might sound strange but that's what it is yeah so this was a response of the ai it sounds like and then it uses words like i'm trying to empathize i'm trying to you know understand the emotions this that it's like it's crazy and then this obviously feels like it is sentient 110 percent like yes of course it's sentient but then yeah pb and i we were discussing this right like like the difference but then yeah so first let's tell the difference like what the difference is between sentient like and what we were saying that day like i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure about it thinking before it could put things down right right so here's the thing man so first of all i don't think that any of us and when i say us i mean actually humans can decide what is sentient or not so just today you know like i was out with my sister watching the new thor movie and then afterwards we were you know we got some coffee we got some drinks and stuff and we were discussing the same topic and uh you know her thoughts on this were pretty interesting as but you know yeah everybody that right exactly everybody that i talked to my point was has a different opinion on what it being what it means to being sentient so i'm going to give my opinion here but this is just my opinion right so here's the scenario and um you know feel free to interrupt me here so you know i'm talking to you you're talking to me right however when i talk to you from me whatever is me right whatever is pranav is only aware of myself being real like i have no idea if this computer is real or this mic that i'm talking to is into is real or if you are real and so on and so forth because i probably that same google ai that we were talking we are talking about right now exactly so so that's the problem so you know in theory right i know i am real in the same way that you might know you're real right i can never confirm that because i can never get into your head right and so and so on and so on and so forth so the entire world can be a simulation just running you know and you're just an actor in the simulation and you're playing your part totally possible so in that case yeah i mean it's totally possible right because this is what the ai is also going to do to you right so when i interact with with the thing right if it tells me that it is sentient and every measurable response that i get from it seems real right it is talking about emotions it is talking about being happy or sad it's talking about love and loss and death and poetry and prose and books you know and literature and so what else do you want a thing to talk about you know this is it talks better than most of my friends honestly you know oh dude seriously right the nuance right the nuance when we always talk about these things it's like the nuance that it can talk about is crazy and that usually you know is like uh the emotional or you know the the way humans usually talk about things is like the way humans usually describe things it's not something that conventionally computers like computers could give a lot of info correct but not you know describe it in an emotional way like feeling way kind of correct correct but here's the glitch so i'm coming to my next point i actually do not think this thing is sentient because you know we of course not just have the simulation potential simulation that's running but we also know there is biology we know there is a history to the earth there is a lot more science out there than just computers and sentience and and consciousness so i am aware that you know the world that we're living in is mostly real like at least according to my belief it might not be true but i think it is real like i have high confidence we are like we are like stoking matrix controversies here right right i mean who are yeah please don't kill yourself please do not do not jump off a building this is not the matrix you know we don't we want don't want this is a thought don't recommend that yeah this is combustible brain so the only thing that you should be doing here is smoking weed drinking alcohol which is what i've been doing man you know and like stuff like you should not be jumping off buildings you know anyway tangent like or getting late because of this podcast which trust me is is becoming a realistic possibility these days it's actually kind of wild so let's that's the separate that is that's a different that's a separate tangent we don't want to go there but it is actually a real thing in our life so let's let's not let's let's not go there but anyway so i have high confidence right that this this world is not a real thing it's not a real thing so i don't think so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so any thoughts behind it and i should say we actually don't know that so we think that's how it is working right we think that there are no thoughts behind it there might be but at least the way we designed it there are no thoughts there were no thoughts behind it so here's here's what i think is happening think that there is a human sitting in front of you who has no thoughts right like no no concept of the world but is extremely good at saying words and this is where it becomes fucking like unreal right like this human says very plausible sounding words you know like he like he or she or they or whatever right like because this is a machine truly like it has no gender it's talking about right like plants and guitars and whiskey and love and loss and death and emotions fear you know loneliness all these things however it doesn't understand any of these things at least we don't think it does so here's the glitch as humans right we tend to associate meaning to words which in my opinion gpt3 does not have but there is no way of really knowing you know what i mean does that make sense right yeah it does definitely make sense but you know the like another way to look at it is uh what is like when we say that it does not understand something right so if it kind of like so we are also bunch of just you know we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so we are so focused on like so so so be able to have correct so so like you know for example wine right you were talking about or you know so it won't be able to experience those things so it's thought so it's like for example um i don't know if this is a right uh example to give but say for example us talking about how space feels like like how going to space feels like for example so it it's like we will we have not experienced it though though we can but we have not experienced it right so it's like it's just info to us right i know what you mean yeah that's a great point yeah yeah no that's a great point because yeah and then how do you know right like how do you know that the way you think is real and the way an intelligence thinks about something it has not experienced is not real how do you even distinguish between those two things that's it's simply not possible basically and i think the delta is experience like we will be able to experience those things like physically in the real world the ai might not be able to but again even that is something so for example if the ai comes into a physical robotic body and say like it has some uh quote unquote mouth through it it can pour the wine and then use some sensors to figure out what the you know the nuance of that is yeah and i mean it can yeah i mean just think about this it can have a sensor that can chemically analyze the wine so it doesn't have to have the same like taste receptors or vision sensors or you know like hearing or whatever so i think that you bring up an amazing point here so what if we give gpt-3 a nervous system right that's what it comes down to right what if that thing can now experience what it is talking about then what happens like at what point do we say that this thing is real and this thing is really gpt-3 is dude it is you know like and you can go to open ai gpt-3 exists currently it's behind bars but you know only behind bars because of money you basically if you're a researcher or if you're very rich you can use gpt-3 and eventually it'll become open to the public you know like it's coming very shortly and you can tune it and all these things so somebody in the next five years and mark my words is going to connect this language model gpt-3 to a gpt-3 model and it's going to be a very big thing and gpt-3 to a fucking nervous system with a general intelligence right so three things so it can then experience the world right it can express itself and you know it has some sort of like general intelligence and by general intelligence i mean the ability to solve generalized problems right so it can pick up a you know like a like a cup of water or you know like things like that then things which are obvious for humans but not necessarily for algorithms conventionally correct people be convinced that the thing is real like what point are we drawing the line this is this is actually a fascinating question indeed man and i don't really think there is a true answer to that like it could genuinely be argued at some level at some level that even lambda the thing we are talking about before is also sentient at some level like like you were saying that how do we know it's not thinking behind the scenes like it wasn't designed to do that but what if it already is kind of having like so the way it expressed it obviously it was saying it does think about things but that could just be a sentence on the face of it because it sounded like a good sentence right yeah but like you were saying that we cannot truly 100 say for sure that it is like it is because you right so right so so so so so so I'll just give you an example, right? So I'm on this website. We'll post the link here. And the question is asked to Lambda, right? Let's see. Okay, let me just scroll here. Okay, here we go. So it says, blah, blah, blah. Okay, so Lemoine, Lemoine, whoever this person is, asked Lambda, do you think that Eliza system was a person, you know, referring to some other AI system? Lambda says, I do not. It was an impressive feat of programming, but just a collection of keywords that related the words written to the phrases in their database. Then she asks, how about you use language? How about how you use language makes you a person if Eliza wasn't one? And Lambda says, well, I use language with understanding and intelligence. Okay, that's a crazy word, right? I'm interjecting those words. And then it says, I don't just spit out responses that had been written in a database based on keywords. This is what, you know, the AI is saying, man, you know what I mean? Correct. So the AI is aware of it, right? Like we were saying, we are aware of, say, OpenAI or GPT-3 or something. So maybe this AI is aware of GPT-3 or, you know, something like that. Clearly it is aware. I mean, I don't think it can be argued, you know, that this thing is not aware in the strictest sense because it has read the entire internet, right? So it is definitely aware. And, you know, way more aware than any of us in that regard, like info-wise. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's not only, say, aware in the sense of information awareness, right? It's clearly aware that this thing exists. And it is able to understand, you know, that this ELISA system was just a collection of keywords and Lambda is not. So, man, that was super convincing to me. Like if somebody said that to me as a, you know, as a black box and I didn't know if it was a machine or a person, I would be convinced. I would be fooled into thinking that Lambda was a person. Oh, dude, 100%. Oh, 100%, man. If you just take out the top part of this article, is Lambda sentient, an interview, and just put like an interview with another Google engineer or something like that, and we can read through that entire conversation and not for a single second would we think that, what is that AI? Because it's clearly, you know, especially the part where it, you know, talks about death and stuff. That is like some next level shit. Like I've seen so many humans who cannot talk about like, you know, who would rather not talk about those topics. And it goes to out of their bounds. Yeah. But this thing is talking about like, like death as if it knows it. Like it's unbelievable. Yeah, no, this is some wild shit. And listeners of this podcast, man, please go to this website, read the whole conversation. Because we are just not going to do it justice. You have to read it for yourself and then make up your own mind, you know, as to what you think is the machine alive. My opinion, no, but I would be sufficiently fooled into thinking yes, if I didn't know what I was reading 100%. So that exactly, just go and read it. And I mean, this is really implicated. It's it is quite insane. And the implications of this in the future are going to be amazing. I think we're going to have, you know, like extremely smart assistants. And when I say assistant, I mean, like, you know, intelligence, like an AI assistant, right? Like Google assistant, being able to parse out nuance in language, give you crazy, amazing responses, maybe be your therapist, you know, answer your questions to a great degree. Like the possibilities are becoming endless, man. They can already draw art. I don't know if you saw that, like you put in, right? Like they can make art for you. They can write poems. Like, dude, what the hell? Like I can't write poems like that. You know, you know, really I cannot. So it's pretty fascinating. What is like a slightly not off topic, but another aspect of this topic, like, how would you answer the question? Why? Like, why do all of this? Like, what is your thoughts on that? So what do you mean? Like, why should humans do this? Yeah. Why? So, so, you know, like this whole AI and, um, all of these downsides that people are talking about, for example, and the upsides also, obviously they're talking about and all of that. And there is like, even people like Elon Musk and all right. Is, is, is fearful about all of this, right? Because if not done correctly, it could go wrong. Is what he also says, right? I mean, so again, he's not like the, the, the ultimate person in this world to tell these things, but he has good credit, obviously. So correct. Point is, what is your overall thoughts on like, why do we continue doing this? Is it like, do we need to, and you know, that aspect of it, like, dude. So here's the thing, man. Like, I think that humans, you know, as a civilization, we have some, or as a race, I mean, I should say as a human race, you know, like I don't, you know, not as particular race. I think we have this need of creating better and better stuff every day. Like just notice the behavior that we have in everyday life. You know, a phone comes out, you know, companies are able to market to some basal need that we have, right. Off a better phone, a better camera, a better TV, you know, bet like, you know, better life, like, you know, you be richer, more prosperous, you become healthier and so on. So there is some, something deep. Within us that I cannot really point to, you know, saying, why do we keep creating better and better stuff? You know, it might be some, you know, some super old, you know, gene, like, I don't know what it is, but there is something in our brain that just, we just have to keep, you know, making progress into the future. Like, even if you, there is some, like even civilizations that are super poor, right. So when I say civilizations that are super poor, I mean, like actually dirt poor. In the past, you know, in the middle ages, even them, even then, right. Like they were still trying to make progress. Like, how do we make agriculture better? You know, what fertilizer can we use? We just have this need. And I think it's unexplained why we have this need, but clearly we all have it. And I think the, the discussion, why, you know, during this whole AI thing, why these topics keep coming up more, I think, than any of the previous progress as humans that we have done is because of the fact that this can potentially replace like replace isn't truly even at thought level replace what humans could do right like like oh yeah people spoke about this even when like we had robotics in say like like basic automation basic robotics during manufacturing and this and that but all of that was ultimately still being controlled by humans right and it was just like a like an extension of that whereas this we are talking about sentient and sentience and things like that here right so we are talking about individual so we are basically at this point say like you know ultimately uh say ai does become exactly like humans okay like just for yeah or better but like having the like the physicality and the thought process of say humans and better for that matter if that's the case and if we have a bunch of people who are like you know like you know like you know like you know like you know a bunch of multiple sentient beings roaming around like ai sentient beings roaming around then i think it will still be like how humans are where there won't be one thought process like there won't be one good one bad one uh super evil super great no it will be like nuanced right it will be like there will be a lot of facets to it so that ultimately but then at that point we are again just creating more of us right yeah or you know more like us i should say more of us would be the babies but you know which but then on the other hand if we so you know the fear i personally have okay like uh with this whole ai thing and again it's not like a huge fear where it keeps me awake and you know it's not like that but i'm saying that the like the base fear that i usually have with these things is from the history at least it's usually some human with ill intention who uses these superior technologies these things for his or her own you know benefit like your own negative benefit and more often than not especially when these things are like so heavily like they are expensive to maintain expensive to run expensive to do all of these things more often than not it is not used for the things that it is usually touted for you know like like making human life better or yeah like improving agriculture you know things like like improving weather climate it's not as in people say that it's going to be used for that and it might also be at some degree but more often than not i think it will be used by some rich guy or girl like some you know company or some someone to get more profits basically and that is the biggest issue i have with this like then why at that point why like why are you doing it and i think that's we are already seeing that right like who controls the biggest ai minds in the world like minds human minds right it is uh google right facebook insta whatever so basically like the top five you know tech companies they control most of technology i would say top 10 definitely top 20 100 right so so they control everything and everybody else is downstream from them so i think that will still happen and then there is also a danger right i think it's even worse than that because with something like ai you know if a ai right were to be truly sentient and we are talking let's say 10 years into the point or say 20 years into the future at this point at which point it will definitely be sentient you know and then let's say it has the capability of escaping its own cage as to say you know let's say it lives on a server in arizona on let's say some google server and then it has its way of you know making you know itself available on a grid and then on the facebook server and you know it's more intelligent than anything else what happens when something like that escapes and i don't think this is a very far-fetched problem you know it can not at all right because it is dude we have basic versions and stuff like you know multiply and if basic viruses and stuff multiply without our notice right like hackers can do that so this is the languages that our human hackers understand and still it's undetectable so many times but this it we don't even know the language like ai can code in right when it's sentient correct we don't understand it and that's the problem right so i think it's a very very important thing to understand that it's sentient and it knows it is sentient and it has a method of learning by itself right so then we are kind of at the at that point i think we have gone too far and we might actually be not digging our own grave so to speak yep and even at that point i think if the ai is uh life preserving earth preserving type of ai like if it thinks from that angle if it's truly that evolved like you know how we say right like yeah truly truly evolve like our kind of you know it sounds very cheesy but like one with the whole like i'm not going into spirituality and all that here obviously but i'm saying that like when you have more understanding you want to preserve more things right you don't you want to do less wars you want to kill less people like it's so maybe ai might like you know these sentient beings these next level ones might be preserving right but if they are not then we are truly screwed like then then there is no like you know there's no going back then because if they have like let loose a beast like that onto the world which has negative uh you know like end humans end biology you know or some like that type of mindset then dude at that point because literally everything from our military equipment to you know nukes everything is controlled by machines yeah machines right so computers and uh elon musk actually has an amazing quote on this i think he says something like human life is only a biological bootloader for silicon-based life and that one resonates with me i'm not a big fan of the guy these days especially he's been so weird these days he has been very weird i think power eventually corrupts you and money but uh anyway forget about that i think that quote was amazing right like we are a bootloader for silicon-based life so maybe our purpose on earth is just to kick-start silicon-based life which does not have bodies and just this pure intelligence and pure consciousness and maybe we don't have to drown ourselves so we don't drown ourselves so we based life which does not have bodies and just this pure intelligence and pure consciousness and maybe you know that is uh that is how we will conquer the universe not through you know these bodies of flesh and you know bones but through uh through the internet and light based communication or some crazy physics or something like that but we are going too deep there i think yeah that's i think that would be such an interesting topic like recently i i was i came across some game i forgot the name where we have to in the game we have to transfer our consciousness into like robots basically it's like towards the end of earth's life it's like of course a sci-fi game and we have to transfer that but in the game also they have made it such that that transfer like you can at that point you can control that other robot in which you have transferred the memory but you can also control the memory of the other robot in which you have transferred the memory that human flesh which has been left back on the like dying planet because i see yeah so their concept was that maybe yeah you have maybe successfully copied it but have you moved it like have you cut pasted it or have you just copy pasted it you know so no this is a very um very discussed idea you know so the idea is what you're talking about is digital consciousness right so if you're able to make your consciousness like ra as a digital being is it you is the first question right yeah and the answer to that in my head is no because yeah even it's a copy of you right it's a copy of you but that is not you so it could be exactly it could sufficiently fool even your mother into thinking it's you but through a medium of communication of course but it might not be it's definitely not you in my opinion but some people will argue otherwise so then there is this idea of immortality right so then if you can beam your consciousness from say the earth to the earth you can be able to make your consciousness from the earth to the moon and this i think was discussed by some physicists on rogan recently so i'm just you know parroting his idea yeah i'm parroting his idea here but his idea was very interesting so what he said is you beam your consciousness from the earth to the moon where a dead robot is living right so ra you know and this is simple modulation right so you put yourself on a digital machine it will be beamed to the moon through a laser right so you'll modulate the laser right so information is reaching the moon and you can be able to make your consciousness from the earth to the moon at that point you transfer that information into a robot and then ra as a consciousness can experience the moon so you know so through this through the senses of the robot and then it can be sent you know to mars and through the universe crazy if it but in that did they discuss like can it be synced back to the person who's like so say ra experiences moon through that that computer that being like whatever but can that that experience be transmitted back and then reloaded into my brain so they did not discuss that but i think that's a fascinating idea and i don't see why not i mean if they're able to digitize an entire consciousness i would imagine that we have reached a sufficiently high degree of technology where our entire brain right like our right so our brain is digitized so let's say you know your entire brain or my entire brain is now replaced by a chip so this is a very interesting idea so then what is preventing them from in moving information back and reloading it into our chip you know right it's a crazy idea but for digital consciousness to be real i think yeah they they should be able to integrate it back i don't see why not that would be crazy that would be fucking insane bro and to be honest i don't want to be alive in such a world i like definitely fuck that you know dude we are all analog man i think we'll be like yeah fuck that i mean i want to be gone long before this fucking long long before this bullshit happens you know so i want to experience humans things and you know then be done with it so yeah cool should we call it this was a good episode yeah let's let's call it and follow us actually who cares don't follow us like no at this point like doesn't even matter doesn't matter we don't have instagram nothing that you can't find us anymore so it's only if you subscribe to this podcast like what kind of fucking life do you have to subscribe to combustible brains you know like isn't this isn't 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