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okay for continuity let's put it on youtube also yeah why not cool so what are we doing today
so
today's episode it's properly gonna be different because you know we don't want to be a tech
podcast so everything that pb and i want to talk about or like or i think it's cool is a fair game
so today we're gonna tell you a story today's a story a futuristic dystopian twisted story but
it's still a story so this story is kind of this is how it starts so it's uh what year is it actually
don't know what year is it some sometime in the future um and then you know at this
point in in this in this dystopian future let's say people don't have kids anymore it's kind of
crazy uh kids are actually built on a manufacturing line people literally manufacture kids engineer
kids engineer babies so you can have uh you know a very smart kid you can have a very dumb kid you
can have you know whatever characteristics you want in a kid you can have them have with like
blue eyes and blonde hair and brown you know like whatever so you it's like you can playing gtfi
you get to create your character it's exactly like that designer babies so and then um so this
is this is the setting of the world and our character bernard max is uh actually bernard
max is not quite here yet he's he's in this world but he's not quite here yet so we're going through
this world and we realize that like we what what we're looking at is a manufacturing plant like
so we step into this world and we see that like there are clear classifications so we step









like bottles basically. And bottles have all these like special chemicals and hormones
and all these, like, it's a cocktail to make babies. Um, nobody has mothers anymore. So which
is, which is kind of mothers, fathers considered disgusting. Yeah. Mothers and fathers are
considered disgusting. Just think about that for a minute. It's kind of like families, disgusting
mothers and fathers are disgusting. Um, so we step into this world and we see that like there
are clear classes of people that have been introduced. So it's a very distinct world. We
have alphas, right? We have betas, we have gammas, we have deltas and we have epsilons and everybody
has a role in society. So it's kind of like you are born as an alpha and then you do alpha work.
You do like, you can be born as a beta and then you do beta work and you,
you can be an epsilon and you do epsilon work and everybody has a role in society and everybody's
happy. And we are going to like dig into why or how.
Uh, and if everything fails, there's something called Soma, which is kind of like alcohol and
weed and all the psychedelics mixed together into like one little pill. You take it and
all your sorrows, everything is totally wiped away completely.
Yeah. For the moment, like it comes back, but then you take Soma when you take Soma, it's,
it's great. Yeah. They take Soma again. So, um, as some of you might have guessed,
this is the setting for brave new world, which is, uh, which was written in 1932.
And, um, which brings us to our first character, Bernard. So Bernard is an alpha plus he's a top
of the line, top of the food chain guy. Um, except that he's not jacked. Like every alpha plus is
like super jacked and they have super shredded and they have like six pack abs. I'm just making
that up, but like, why not? So, uh, you just have this, you have Bernard and Bernard's a little
he's, he's not, he's not like every other alpha plus he's a little smaller, right? He's, he's a
little shorter and he's a little shorter. So, uh, so, uh, so, uh, so, uh, so, uh, so, uh, so, uh, so,
he's kind of an outsider. So he, you know, misfit into alpha plus he's a misfit into this world.
And I think he's a psychologist if I remember correctly from the book. Um, so, and, but yeah,
so Bernard, you know, he thinks for himself, he kind of has free will and so on. So Bernard's a
very, he's a misfit like Rosset. So this, this brings me to, you know, like, um, to the point
where if that is actually true in our world, maybe like, you know, maybe we,
we don't have such classism quite yet, but you know, in, in a way, like, I, I think it's possible
that, you know, we, we kind of have something like this in our world today, you know, like you can
have super rich people and then the economically backward people, you know, somehow they're
always left behind to do, you know, like work that is, you know, that is like labor intensive.
So, uh, that, so, so we're, you know, this is a story of Bernard and Bernard is going through
this world. So there's this girl, Lenina, Lenina.
Lenina is also kind of a misfit. And then she actually is a, I think she's a Delta.
I'm not quite, I don't remember exactly what she was, but she's not an alpha plus she's,
uh, she's not one of, she's not the super high end. She's like a Delta or something.
And then Lenina has dated this one guy for, for like a few months, which is super oddity
in the world. In this world, you cannot actually, there is no marriage. There is no dating.
There's nothing like that. You do whatever the hell you want to do. There is dating.
Well, I don't know. Yeah. That dating, the concept of dating is totally different. Like
everybody belongs to everyone in this world. So everybody can literally have sex with everybody
in the world. And in fact, they expect people to do that. Like anything else is, um, that
is the cultural norm as a cultural norm. And I'm assuming that they've engineered like
birth control to be perfect. So I'm assuming that just is the case because they don't make
babies anymore.
Yeah. Because that will be pointless, right? If, if a baby actually, if a girl actually
gets pregnant in this world, that kind of breaks the system that they've set up of artificial
babies.
Exactly. So back to Lenina. So Lenina is also kind of a misfit. She's dated, right? Remember
like people don't date in this world, not in the traditional sense anyway. So Lenina
is like a misfit and she's coming into this world, you know, um, like, like an outsider
because she dated a guy for a few months and she has a thing for Bernard. So she, she likes
Bernard and you know, she wants to get together with him.

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clothes they have sex and it's done like it's that that's it that's the definition of getting to
getting together with bernard super quick super efficient but bernard is not like that bernard
is like you know he's more somebody you would expect you know to be a little a little more
maybe normal or something if that is even a possibility right so they are so lanina and
this scarily i think uh coincides with the trend right over the years like in this this actual
world also like yeah i mean if you take look at tinder for example right like it's like the
the magnification of tinder to the max like from a casual hookup standpoint exactly i mean meaningful
relationships and all is is taking a back seat over all of these things like everything has to
be quick and fast and you know less emotional less baggage kind of yeah exactly that's that's
maybe where the world is trending to like who knows i mean yeah so this book is as as we'll
see as we go ahead this book is crazy when it comes to correlating
to the real world right now it might sound a bit too over the top right now but trust me i mean
there's a lot of parallels yeah yeah exactly so lanina wants to get together with bernard right
and i think they make up this plan that they want to go to the reservation and it's a good time to
introduce what this reservation is so this reservation has been they call them savages
in this book so it's like a zoo zoo for cultured people the cultured people in this in this world
are all the people that live in this dystopian world and the savages are
people like you and me like me and everybody else in the world where you know where you have
like normal people yeah people right now so where you have you know you have culture and you have
tradition and you have rituals and you have you know relationships and you have people getting
married and all this stuff so lanina and bernard they want to go visit um this savage reservation
but they can't just do that like lanina on her own can't do that because she's a delta she's not
entitled to stuff like that so only only bernard can get her to the reservation and she can't do
there so bernard you know he goes to the director of the facility where he's working and then he has
to get permission to go to the savage reservation and the director at this point he tells them you
know like okay cool like you can go to the savage reservation but just remember you know like not
everything is you know like happy and funny there like he he tells uh bernard of his own story where
you know like he took some girl i think her name was linda to to the reservation many
many years ago and then linda got lost and then he had to come back on his own and then he was he
felt really bad and he was still you know struggling with it he has like dreams about it every now and
then or at the nightmares about it every now and then so it's uh he he basically wants bernard like
you know maybe you shouldn't go but you know if you want to go sure like go for it and that is
unacceptable in the society like what the director feels and all is considered not efficient and not
acceptable in the society so
kind of just you know warns bernard that it shouldn't happen to him as well exactly that's
his achilles heel like achilles heel that's his weakness basically so bernard you know listens to
his story and he's like okay never mind i'm going to do it anyway so lenina and bernard then go to
the savage reservation and the savage reservation you know um they land they there is also like
some really interesting things that they introduced there like they um lenina at some point
in
in her life was at the north pole and she saw these auroras right these beautiful auroras and
there was an aurora hotel and there were no games to play there like tennis or like anything and she
really hates it like she hates the natural world she hates like you know anything that nature
presents she hates she's really conditioned to like really live in this uh in this fake world
almost right and i think that's uh that's kind of a parallel to our world also don't you think
exactly i was going to say that's a good point i think that's a good point i think that's a good
point i think that's a good point i think that's a good point i think that's a good point i think that's a good point
anyone exactly i mean imagine like people going to the beach these days or you know like on the top
of a mountain or you know like the first thing people do is like put it on instagram or like
facebook or twitter or something like some some form of social media so like at that point are
you even there like you know yeah and the sad one the sad part is you're not living in the moment
and then later you go back into your instagram uh post and you go throwback thursday or tuesday
or whatever that is like and you you point to how fun how much so-called like fun you know
you had in that vacation and how much you miss it and you know how epic the pics were i mean
that is the important thing like the pics yeah you yeah you're looking for like pictures as
opposed to like the actual time that you had which is really sad but i also think it's quite true
in our world so i think you know this is a parallel in our world that is yeah yeah we have a big
so they go to the savage reservation so back to the savage reservation right so they're visiting
the savage reservation and they take they take a look at all these savages right they look at like
mothers and they look at this rituals going on and lenina is really disturbed like for example
they have this one ritual where there is this guy he looks like an outsider in this world
and he's hitting himself like hitting himself with like a whip of some sorts and this is kind
of a ritual in their world where you know this is like a ritual where they're like oh i'm not
a rite of passage almost where they prove that like you know how manly you are or some you know
something like that and they she watches this and she just cannot take it she's like this is too much
um you know like this is this is just not what uh she just cannot conceptualize all of these things
so she goes back to the hotel room takes a lot of soma now remember soma knocks her like out
completely so she's gone like the amount of soma she takes i forget how much but it she's gone for
that probably overdosed on soma yeah yeah yeah exactly and this is also true to forget everything
yeah i mean this is what people do every friday evening so drink away right yeah drink away
yeah problems yeah so you yeah people do this today man like you know they they go to their
desk job you know we all do and then we kind of hate it you're like you know at the end of the
week you're like god this is you know like this is really is this really what i should be doing
with my life and then every friday you're like oh shit this is great
and because it's the weekend right and then you enjoy yeah and then you drink you drink your
sorrows away and then you just want to forget and get back up on monday really i think that's
that's soma that's soma that's soma man so she takes soma so bernard bernard's not a big fan
of soma so he he doesn't do soma i don't think he totally is off it but he's not a fan for sure
so this guy he's like you know he has to deal with the savage reservation still so at this point
you know he he tries to like socialize with these savages and he comes across this guy called john
right and john doesn't look like anybody else in that group john is a savage but he doesn't look
like any of them you know and he asked john like you know what's your story and john tells him like
you know well my mother linda and um you know i was born to linda and he he had seen linda go
through some really like crazy times like linda you know i used to like play these weird songs to
not play like sing weird songs to him and stuff which didn't make sense to him so this immediately
comes to mind you know like bernard thinks immediately that the director had mentioned
that you know he went to the savage reservation with linda and linda and so he thinks that you
know oh shit that the director actually had a son right like through the normal means of you know
like reproduction he had a son and he does not know that son right he does not know of john
and then he meets linda and then linda and john and john and john and john and john and john and
linda is like shocked to meet you know um bernard and she she's immediate she remembers her old life
you know where uh everything was happy you know everybody's perfect to put to you know to paint
the picture here linda here is old she's fat you know her teeth are yellow like you know she's uh
she she's lived a pretty rough life at this point you know and then yeah she's like a normal human
all other humans in this in this story in this book uh are flawless like they do get old but
they look and feel like young people like at the prime basically i think always they figured out
something right scientifically in the book like they figured out control like um yeah so they
control their metabolism and their hormonal balance and all this stuff and they they make
sure that you never look old right you never you never age basically not not in the traditional
sense anyway
so you die but like you know so that's like cosmetics you die young and plastic surgery
that's like yeah but like it's not real they don't have to do surgery they just like figure it out
so internally yeah exactly it's like instagram comes to life pretty much yeah where everybody's
perfect so you know um so they meet so they meet john so bernard meets john and bernard meets linda
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like curiosity like he has been in in his savage land for so long and i think he must be pretty
psyched and i think the director has no freaking clue what's coming to him yeah the director has
no idea man like he has a son and remember like when he realizes that he's he's going to have a
son this is going to be like it's a big deal it's a big it's a big deal in a bad way so just to
recap the story so far right like or rather like you know our thoughts on it you know the few things
that i see here it's like the first thing i saw was like conditioning you know and i think
conditioning is a big one in our world also like don't you think like the moment we are born totally
you know somebody starts teaching you stuff right yeah for better or worse right i don't know for
yeah i mean it just it just begins you know it's just
like you go to school and then you're taught the same things you're taught the same set of morals
and you know you're bottom you know you know you're brought up in in a systematic fashion
and like the very peak of this is of course like their world where everybody's perfect we're not
manufactured perfect yeah so even in our world it's like people are trained to be good workers
like people are trained to be obedient like i mean it is um frowned upon if you don't follow
you know the set things that
are being taught in school for example or in your job or you know places like that so and even the
concept of right and wrong right like if you make money you must be doing better like yeah it has
practical applications in our world you know like you make enough money yeah your life is better and
that it is it is better like once you make money it's actually better but it it's the same thing
man like it's um you know you have essentially maybe like five options you know like at the end
of your like teens you have maybe you're left with you know three or four realistic options
of on where you can take your life yeah like you can become you know for example you can become a
doctor or a lawyer or you can become an engineer or you know you can become you know a firefighter
or like but you know there is only so many things you can do in this world it's not like you have
total free will so you're still conditioned so that and the thing is um you're encouraged to
have higher education right and uh i've read of an epic book actually we'll talk about it someday
on the podcast but the thing is the more education you have the the narrower your
mindset becomes like the narrow like specialization is considered 100 epic in this world it is
respected it is loved yeah but all the epic people in the history that we have seen are not necessarily
specialized specialists they they have dabbed into every field and that's what makes them
awesome in their field in which they became famous in so this is also kind of parallel to that right
to an extreme degree in the book to a totally extreme degree and you know this is
actually quite all these points where like you know especially the one where like lenina
she's like you know she uh she hates the aurora like the like come on like this is one of the
most beautiful things you can see on earth right like it's i love the way he puts it to the extremes
right yeah i mean he just takes any concept and takes it to the extreme like how it would be if
we continue on this path that we are on today yeah exactly so she really hates it so i and i
thought that's already happening man like some like think of all the people that go on vacation
how many of them truly want to do it and how many are doing it out of just a social conditioning
that you know like vacations are good for you this is what you should do and then people go on
vacation which is kind of like crazy to think about but i think some of that is actually true
yeah it's like those two packages man that we always talk about like they show you thousand
things in like five days or ten days or something and yeah boom and then you're back it's okay you
get to see thousand like landmarks maybe but did you actually live in that vacation did you actually
experience it to that degree that you could have right and this is kind of like that no man it's
it's really true the other thing i thought about was like classes you know and in their world they
have like alphas and betas gammas epsilons and you know for example like epsilons in this world
cannot do alpha work and deltas cannot do epsilon work everybody has to do their job assigned to
them and you know there was a really awesome quote in the book actually that said you know how
the backbone of society is not philosophers or you know
like intellectuals it is basically you know stamp collectors and like factory workers basically i
think the quote goes something like um anyway i don't want to like quote quote it like exactly i
don't have it but the backbone of society is you know not philosophers you know it is all the people
in the factories that like keep producing stuff yeah who actually put in the work in in reality
like who put in the work yeah but it's just labor like it's it's just raw labor for meaningless
reason so because they're consumers so so the
so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so
strange parallel to our world which you know which might be true anyway so we go back to the story so
now you know uh linda and john they're being they're being brought back to the civilized world
and you know the director does not know of it so bernard comes back and then you know um he
introduces there is it's kind of dramatic but like john is introduced to the director and the
director just cannot take you know the shock uh that he goes through when he looks at john and
he's like you know he's my son and he's like oh god i'm a father now and being a father is
horrible like it is one of the worst he's ashamed and then he quits i think he quits
or like he's fired or whatever like he cannot take it anymore and he he resigns essentially
at this point and you know this is such a such a crazy thing right like think about like in our
world like if somebody says like you know um you're you're my father like somebody it won't
you wouldn't be disgusted but looks like the looks like you know in in the future that
might be possible like if you're manufacturing babies it might be possible and actually it is
happening like china for example has almost unrestricted access to you know epigenetics
research um you know as far as i know and they can like essentially start engineering babies so
it's not that far man like if anyone will do something unethical first in this world i guess
now from now on it will be more china doing it than anyone else because others at least have
more conscience like yeah they have some ethics at least others
whereas china is like screw that to be if it's more efficient i mean to be fair like one one
thing i want to clearly distinguish here it's not the chinese people that don't have ethics
but the chinese government government yes it's yeah it's the government that's pushing the let's
say their own agenda forward even at the expense of their own citizens right which is the really
sad part because every chinese human is like every like anybody else and the world that we
have discussed so far i mean the closest uh thing to being
controlled or living in a controlled environment i think would be in china itself right now right
i mean who knows if it's china or the us but like because this world is so different but like in this
world they still want you to have the illusion of free will so it's kind of more like a western
civilization in my opinion where you know where you have let's say you live in the us right but
you let's say you are you know a factory well there's no more factories here sad enough but
like you know let's say you're just contributing to the economy you're running the rails of society
so you think that you have you have free will but then you're controlled by things like credit
scores and you know like bank accounts and then you know your debt and your education loans and
so it's already being controlled they're still controlled everybody's controlled so like the
free people of the world i mean it's pretty hard control like if you miss you know paying you know
like a bill you're going to be screwed just that people won't have a gun at your head yeah exactly
yeah you won't die but you will still very slowly suffer in your life which is maybe worse honestly
so it's still it's a very western concept in my opinion where like you know the control is like
very it's very subtle but it works like if you start like guys just start list this listing out
the things in your in the life that control you you probably have a car you probably have a house
you know you probably have a family like you know there is a there's hundreds of things that
actually control you beyond your own measure you have education loans right you have debt
you have credit cards you have credit scores like you're an employer to please like there is an
endless you know an endless
framework to just like control you in place and the crazy thing is it's like by definition
democracy was just not like that by the very definition of it well over the years capitalism
and all of that it it just you know went on taking it towards that direction yeah so it's not like
um yeah i mean we are not socialists but i mean who knows right like this topic is so complicated
like nobody has right answers but it seems that free will is being taken away from the people like
you know it is uh that's not that's not a good thing to have so and the worst thing is the illusion
is still there that's the worst thing yeah like back in the day like if you are under a dictatorship
for example again not at all claiming that that is better in any way possible but if you are under
dictatorship at least you knew you had no no free will like versus here it's like you think that you
have free will you think that you you know everything is in your control and dude look i
think if you make decisions to a certain degree in your life and educate yourself as in not degree
wise but in a reality you can still have more free will than most people will right but like
going to higher education taking loans this that like especially what people especially america i
would say is you know like free will what you are saying is significantly lesser in that regard
exactly free will is taken away from you so it's kind of like you know
just don't have it or you have it but you know it's an illusion so you don't have it yeah you
have it but not really so you know there is that so i felt this was like a very interesting parallel
so so anyway so they back to this world so in this world you know like the director has now quit
and now bernard max um you know bernard max is famous because he's the guy that bought the savage
you know he bought the savage back and he bought linda back and by the way linda um she becomes
very quickly irrelevant in this world she just wants to become you know she wants to be put under
soma all the time and the doctors have given her like two months before she dies so she just cannot
take you know she hates her life at this point enough that she just wants to forget about it
all of it so she's ready to die so that's you know kind of sad but like that's what yeah yeah
so she's she's gone she's she's going to check out and then uh john um i have a tendency to call
john james i don't know why but so if i ever call john james
you know it's john that's john yeah so i don't know why i do that but anyway so maybe it's
conditioning man so so who knows so john really finds this world strange like he's heard of this
world from his mother right which is again to repeat really offensive in this world mother
father that's not good really screwed up concepts in this world so you know he knows of this world
from his mother and everybody wants to look at this savage because this savage is special right
because he was born to two cultured people in this cultured in this world people and then he went
and lived in the savage reservation and then came back so he's like nobody else he's not a savage
he wasn't born a savage but you know he was born the way savages are born but to two cultured people
so he's he's like a true savage he's like that aquaman guy he's like aquaman yeah speaking of
people and sea people man what's the what's the name of that actor aquaman god i forgot
Jason Momo
or something
Jason Momo
yeah
and that guy
used to live
next to me
by the way
like in Pittsburgh
he was actually
shooting for
whatever
I don't know
what they were
shooting here
but he used to
live here
and he used to
always walk around
with like three
bodyguards
which was really
funny
so
although you
think that
he needs them
yeah I think
the bodyguards
are more for
like not
like pestering
him as opposed
to like actually
saving his body
although I don't
know if he can
fight maybe
maybe he does
I don't know
but anyway
he's just buff
totally off topic
bro
yeah
but you know
it's our podcast
who cares
who cares
anyway so
Aquaman
maybe that's a
story for another
time
anyway where
was I
I forget
okay we are
back to this
father
yeah no no
I remember now
so
so fathers
and fathers
and mothers
was a really
nasty concept
in this world
so James
James really
like is trying
to you know
understand
this world
so he's heard
a bit from his
mother and like
you know he's
he looks around
and he really
hates it
because he can
see through
all the bullshit
right he can
see the epsilon
person going
to their
monorail station
every day
at the end
of the day
they get their
soma right
and then they
go home
and they sleep
and they come
back and you
know so he
has this
conflict of
like you know
yeah like if
this were truly
the culture world
like he has a
crisis moment
right like
what what has
happened here
so just imagine
let's say let's
do a thought
experiment right
like imagine
he's like unplugged
he's on the
matrix
yeah exactly
so if you're to
if you're to be
a time traveler
like what do
you think right
if somebody
were to be
like you know
transported from
like 1800s
America 1800s
America to like
today where
everybody's like
looking into their
phones like what
do you think that
would look like
so I don't know
where I saw this
recently there was
that a back to
the future related
joke on some
Jimmy Kimmel or
something like that
and Marty and
that other guy
they they
come come
into 2015
okay and
they they see
the phone okay
and they're like
dude this is a
supercomputer you
guys must be like
crazy right this
world must be crazy
everyone has so
much power in their
hand they could
you know launch
rockets and all
and and then
Jimmy is like no
we we just take
selfies
using that and
post it online
that's it
that's so
so disappointed
I mean just think
about it for the
people who got
a man on moon
uh
the first people
who got man on
moon uh
they if you
tell them right
now that every
person has that
power in every
like in our
hands and yet
we use it for
such like
pathetic tasks
day in day out
I mean they'll
really be disappointed
with us
really be
disappointed
I recently
watched a movie
uh
it's called
devil's advocate
it's a very famous
movie I'd never
watched it
but in that
movie the devil
says you know
vanity is my
favorite sin
and that's
exactly what it
is
everybody's
vein
everybody wants
to like look
at themselves
so look at
themselves become
famous and get
approval and all
this stuff
so you know
this is this is
what James is
going through in
this world
so James
not James
see I caught
myself
John
John
John
so it's what
John is saying
in you know
feeling in this
world so
one day like
you know there
is this big
event and
this is a
turning point
for Bernard
so but this
is this is
going to be
the highlight
of his career
like everybody
you know like
that that's
like super
famous and
super powerful
are going to
show up to
this party
he's a celeb
and like James
is his like pony
right like that's
his trick so
that's his pony
trick so he's
like going to
introduce James
and he's going
to be happy
and he's you
know he's going
to be super
famous and all
this like everybody
wants to sleep
with Bernard
now it's kind
of crazy so
at this point
you know James
is locked in his
room and he
refuses to come
out like at the
very highlight of
his career James
says like you
know fuck you
like you know
I'm like you
know screw your
world because he's
he's had this
crisis moment he's
like screw it you
know like I'm
not going to
come out and you
know like put
myself on show
here so Bernard
is of course
extremely pissed at
this at this thing
and everybody's
like you know now
they start hating
Bernard and now
there's like back
bitching right like
where people go
like you know you
know what like
Bernard he's he's
not really as good
as they say you
know and they say
like oh yeah there
must be some alcohol
in his bottle you
know that's why he's
that's why he's so
tiny like you know
there's all these
comments that start
because you know
Bernard can't
perform which which
is a very bad


thing which is what
exactly happens in
you know any society
so you know he's
like oh shit we're
fucked and like you
know he he tries to
talk to James and
then James essentially
not James John
essentially tells him
to save you know
like tells him to
fuck off basically
and then John is
like you know this
is this is not done
and he explains he
explains some things
there and he you
know and it doesn't
make it makes a
little bit of sense
to Bernard but not
really like they're
totally different
people yeah and
at this point
Bernard isn't
totally unplugged
but Bernard isn't
totally unplugged
and okay so there's
another like so I
had to tell you like
one more thing I
don't know why but
Lenina now is a
thing for thing for
John because she
had a thing for
Bernard but then she
meets a bigger
savage so now she
I don't know she
has a thing for for
John and John also
had a thing for her
but the moment she
was like you know
let's have sex like
the moment they met
and then you know
he John John was
shocked and you know
he was like oh this
doesn't happen in my
world and he you
know calls her like
you know like a
prostitute like a
whore and she's
like oh fuck this is
too bad and they
leave so there's
that event so he's
probably scarred from
that event as well
you know like he has
burden so he's like
you know he he's
dealing with that he's
dealing with the the
world's you know like
fucked up situation so
he you know there's
there's all these
things going on so
which is you know
like really disturbing
to anybody so at
this point you know
they they're
they're outsiders both
of them John and
James James John
and Bernard and you
know they have
another friend who is
also an outsider I
think his name is
Hemholtz right
Hemholtz yeah
Hemholtz
Hemholtz Watson I
think his name
they're all outsiders
in this world so
John has a crisis
movement so what he
does is he he's
you know he
essentially there's
there's an event
right what happens
is Lindstrom
is dying and Linda's
at her you know she's
essentially at her
deathbed and then
there's all these kids
that come into our
hospital they call it
the death hospital and
everybody's happy by
the way in the death
hospital everybody's
happy because they've
conditioned all the
kids to be happy about
death so that way
nobody fears death so
it's called death
conditioning so what
happens is Jane so
John is sad about
Linda dying you know
as you would expect
people to be like his
mother is dying right
right exactly so he
so exactly so she he's
sitting at her bedside
and all these like
clones they call them
clones because they are
really clones that's the
one thing other thing
that we didn't mention
like from one sperm and
like one set of sperm
and one set of like
one egg they make 96
babies in this world
not one but 96 they
found out a way to
multiply they did it
man so so they have
90 so all these clones
come in and for before
their death conditioning
class you know to look
at like how people are
dying happily like
happily you know like I
was doing air quotes
with my mom and my
hands right now so
people are dying
happily here except
this one outlier where
John and his mother
they're like dying
unhappily as a as
that's that's usually
how thing is right
except Linda's not
Linda doesn't she's
checked out like Linda
is so lost in her
solar world she's
gone and then
eventually you know
she dies like you
know she she passes
away and then the
kid asks John you
know like is she dead
and he's still
laughing and you
know this really is a
turning point for for
John he's like you
know this is my
mother just died and
this is like really
offensive and then the
nurse goes like you
know I'm going to
call the cops if you're
sad like something like
that and she calls the
cops because like you
know he like think
about this John is
making the kids sad
which is not what
conditioning is
supposed to be in
their world so this
is this is essentially
legal this is not
good behavior yeah
this is not good so
this they're supposed
to be happy in death
so you know this is
something that you
know they're supposed
to be happy in death
so this is something
that you know they're
supposed to be happy
in death but then you
know John is like I
don't know what to do
with this but I'm
going to call the cops
and then you know
there's there's some
more details there but
like John essentially
starts running out and
he I forget exactly
how they land up here
but yeah I think this
is the part where they
actually throw all those
somas down right yeah
so the point of that
yeah exactly so what
happens is like he he's
essentially going you
know he's going to tell
all the people he feels
like he's going to tell
all the people that you
know that you're going
to kill and these are
all Epsilon these are
Epsilon workers yeah
right so in the name of
Liberty right so he goes
like you know this is
this is Liberty and you
know what happens is at
the end of the day like
every person in this
world especially the
Epsilons they get their
like you know they have
rationed out their soma
like you know you get
only like three pills a
day or something like
that so he goes to like
he goes to a place where
they have all these
pills you know all these
works in there at the
end of day and then
throws them in the river
all of them so all the
soma pills are thrown
out and then they get
thrown out and then
they're thrown out and
they're thrown away and
then he shouts you know
like you know this is for
Liberty like you know
this is such a crazy
concept in their world
like Liberty and the
people have absolutely no
clue because the Epsilons
they're born dumb what
is Liberty yeah yeah
like they're born dumb
they don't know like you
know as babies they're
like this was this is
another thing that we
should have mentioned
oh we missed that yeah
yeah yeah exactly so
like babies in this
world Epsilon babies in
this world they're
taught to like hate
books and hate nature
and like hate everything
that's nice but they
don't know what's good
by actually giving them
electric shocks as babies
so they'll give them
like you know nice a
nice flower and then
they'll electrically shock
them to like make them
hate yeah the ones they
try to reach the book or
the flower or something
they give them shock just
to condition them exactly
so this was even the
concept that's so crazy I
was you know I was
thinking about that man
like that is such a
fucked-up concept like
you just think about it
like you know such an
extreme way to go about
it that's such an extreme
way we don't have
that yet at least I
don't think so but like
imagine like I hope we
don't I mean who knows
like maybe our condition
so perfect that you know
we just don't see it but
you don't even know we
don't even know that's
what conditioning is right
like if it is perfect then
you don't see it so yeah
so John is throwing all
away all the soma and
think about it soma is
like their fallback plan
it's the safety valve in
this in this in this
world so yeah exactly
when all hell breaks
loose you just take
something and you
know you're gonna
have to do it again
and again and again
and again and again
and again and again
and again and again
and again and again
so when all hell breaks
loose you just take
soma and you know
forget it it doesn't
matter exactly and then
Bernard and the
I think the police are
called something else
in this world but yeah
they essentially get
arrested and brought to
the director's office and
book turns you know like super philosophical but uh before we go that before we go there you know
like uh any any thoughts on on what happens to john and like linda and all these things
yeah so obviously i i know what happens so well but i don't want to spoil that no no no what i
mean by that is like do you like did anything like you know stand out for you in in this like
whole situation where you know like they're dying and do you do you ever see our world going there
yeah so thankfully uh when it comes to death i would say uh at least from what i've seen people
are still pretty sensitive like death is something people actually get really affected by is what i've
seen so thankfully we have not reached that point where you know even death is like yeah okay whatever
it doesn't matter no i think that is some point where people actually realize how much they haven't
been living in the moment like if some close person dies then people all of a sudden get
that feeling that dude i mean this can happen to us anytime and we should start living in the
present but unfortunately i have seen that also that it stays only for a few days and then you're
back pulled into social media instagram and all of this stuff you know and it doesn't stay until
some next uh huge calamity happens so even though it's not exactly parallel but again like this book
is always extreme right it is not something that is exactly there right now but it is if we keep
walking this path we'll reach that right so and i think i think that's where it will reach eventually
like people will be like okay dead okay no issues the other thing that um stood out to me in this
like part of the book was like pleasing other people like remember how bernard is you know he
brings james and then he becomes the guy that's famous i think that happens in our world too like
somebody comes up with this miracle you know and so there is this high













growth that people get and then there's the high crash so it's like you know he was famous at some
point you know like every girl wanted to get with him and like every director wanted to hire him
like you know like he's super famous in this world and then there's a big crash so it's like everybody
has like you know everybody has these moments and he got and he got famous quickly right he got
famous because of john he got famous quickly and i think that also happens in this world like the
quicker you get famous the faster you get famous the faster you tend to fall yeah i mean it's going
to be especially since you don't know how to handle it right you don't know that's i think more
yeah more of an issue yeah exactly so these overnight you know celebrities like that become
super famous you know they they're going to have that crash man and you have you see this you know
like people that become super famous they just crash in the end like you know just turn it you
know ends horribly always so i thought that was pretty interesting pretty interesting insight from
this guy
so um back to the story and i'm actually going to and we have not even gone to the proper
philosophical part of this this book i mean the next few quotes are like damn man yeah no this is
so this is the this is the part so what happens now is like john bernard and their friend they're
all in the director's office and the director is woke right so do you he's he's truly woke he has
you know he's read art you know he's read
not read art but he understands art he's read books from the future like from the past before
ford so oh yeah that's another thing like ford is god in their world so whenever like modern
the model t was built you know everything is like your fordiness like you know everything
is after ford before ford so they have af yeah so the timeline is af after exactly so after four
timelines and this is what set in what 500 af right or like 800 or something like that yeah
so they have this so it's actually a lot of time to do this yeah so it's a lot of time to do this
in future it's so it's it's way uh beyond even 2020 so oh yeah dude potentially this might
actually happen it's what yeah 20 25 50 or something like that like no this is definitely
hope it doesn't i mean yeah so this there's this the uh you know they're having this conversation
actually this this guy mustafa mond uh he's actually like he's the boss like he's one of
the world controllers like they have 11 or 10 world controllers and he's one of the world controllers
and uh you know he's a very sane guy like he's a very intelligent you know like well spoken
well read and he understands you know he's completely woke he understands the past the
future you know yeah how society is being controlled they designed this right so they
designed this intentionally and then there's this awesome word woke yeah though the word woke is not
like it is used for wrong purposes these days like yeah so i would rather call him like a so
so basically he's someone who's not even a person who's not even a person who's not even a person
evil or he's not like he's he's pretty uh rounded of a person like he he's a world controller red
and well rounded yeah and not in like a tyrant way like he's yeah in a in a kind of twisted
sensible way so he uh in a twisted that's how i call it the twisted sensible way and then the
world is twisted so yeah so he's sensible in that world in in some twisted way so he goes you know
like he's explaining to them like how the world is and he's like oh my god i'm not even a person
stable and this is a quote so he i'm just going to read it it's really it's a really awesome quote
so it says you know the world's stable now people are happy they get what they want and they never
want what they can't get that actually really stood to me it was like holy shit just think of
that holy shit man they never want what they can't get well you want a ferrari well you'll never want
it so it's like yeah like holy shit you're conditioned to such perfection you're conditioned
you don't even want a ferrari if you can't get a ferrari you wouldn't even want it yeah you have
so well conditioned crazy so like the epsilon worker who's working in the factory never wants
a vacation he never wants to go to like you know the alps he doesn't want to do that he hates the
alps because he was like electrically shocked as a kid anyway so back to this quote he says they're
well off right they're safe they're never ill which is true because they've like gotten rid of
everything then they're not afraid of death death conditioning they're blissfully ignorant of
passion and old age no such concept passion there's everybody belongs to everybody old age
they're plagued with no mothers or fathers conditioned to be disgusting in this world
they've got no wives and also that you don't have to take care of them or something like that so no
attachments nothing like that also no emotional attachments they've got no wives no children or
lovers to feel strongly about that sucks man they're so conditioned that they're practically
they practically can't be can't help behaving as they ought to behave and this is so this really
stirred to me this this last one they've got no wives no children or no lovers to feel strongly
conditioned that they practically practically can't help behaving as they ought to ought to behave
so they're literally like you know minions man and just think about just think about the guy in that
world man it's so crazy right like just like you know when you like this is so fucked up like just
imagine like one of those things right like when you meet a girl that you know like you really you
know have really good chemistry with you know like your whole everything is great you know what i
mean like you feel fucking amazing right it feels amazing like you know like even like whatever the
not just sex but like everything's amazing right it just feels amazing right they they don't have
that feeling it's it's kind of crazy exactly and and if you come to think of it like from the
history also like all the big things over the you know like throughout the history all the major
things like you know for example men have done for so it is so many times it has been over a woman
like over one woman you know like like something or the other like for the attachment or you know
fighting for her or you know like loving her or whatever like that so it's so crazy right like
yeah i mean it's usually like this quote right oh yeah i mean most of the things you don't feel
strongly about yeah so what are you gonna fight for right they won't right so that is why this
society is controlled right and at the last part it says like and if anything should go wrong there
is soma which you go and chuck out of the window in the name of liberty mr savage liberty so he
so that that's really like you know like this is a safety wall safety like they have created a
perfect world there is no fighting like no passion nothing
right like nothing nobody cares about anything anymore or rather like they just don't know like
what what this means anymore no they don't have anything to care for exactly and then the safety
wall soma they just throw that soma away like and he's in the name of what liberty like he's like
what liberty so this is what liberty yeah it's crazy code so this is okay such a yeah and this
is you know and he says the world is stable now which is might be true like in in our world if
it might be it might be true that this is a solution that humans in the future create you
know where everybody's so perfectly conditioned that they're like happy you know like an epsilon
in this world is happy he's not an unhappy epsilon so you know he's happy doing epsilon work so
kind of exactly there's another uh so they're having a conversation right so
john asks you know like uh the controller like you know if you're so mighty and powerful and
you can engineer the perfect babies why not create like you know alphas every like
why isn't every human an alpha plus every man every woman is why aren't there alpha pluses
and then the guy goes like this is quote imagine a factory staffed by alphas that is to say by
separate and unrelated individuals of good hereditary and conditioned to be as capable
bracket brackets within limits of making a free choice and assuming responsibilities
imagine it he goes and this is sarcastic like just think about how satirical this is
this is written like you cannot have people capable of free will like the controller goes
and you don't want you don't want this situation where people can think about this and you know
this is this you know i thought of this and it was like okay this makes sense like think like
everybody's elon musk right like imagine that's just not gonna work right yeah like imagine a
factory yeah it's not going to work like imagine a factory you know packed with elon musk's it's
just not going to happen and i mean you know like they would leave yeah right so who's going to
build who's going to build all these things i'm not saying this is right or wrong but i'm not saying
but just a thought experiment right like if everybody's elon musk does the world work and
i don't think it does you know it's it's in a fucked up way it just does not work so it's
if everybody's just think about that like everybody's elon musk even like factory workers
in elon musk's factory on earth yeah no they just want to go to space yeah exactly so
in the fucked up way this book makes some point here or this author makes some point
yeah the hierarchy thing that they mentioned even though it is not uh like hammered to you at birth
it is still so true man i mean everyone we need people to do all types of jobs right else
else have to wait till robots take over yeah dude no really but you see like the subtle point here
is that they don't have a hierarchy per se everybody's happy so it's like you know everybody
is equally important in this world in their own right in their own right and that's that's the
one there is another quote here like that i would like to read it to you guys so it's like
where you know and this is um you know they're having quite quite a lot of conversation here
and we'll get into like you know the story at this point is you know uh very philosophical so
he's you know john says like you know isn't that like degrading a person like making them an epsilon
and this guy goes degrade him from what position right as a happy hard-working good goods consuming
citizen he's perfect of course if you choose some other standard than ours then perhaps you might
be able to get a better position in life and you know you can't play electromagnetic golf according
to the rules of centrifugal bumble puppy so he's basically saying you know like who are you to
decide that you know uh like what is degradation to an epsilon he's not not even degraded and this
stuck to me man like i was so disturbed reading this i was like holy shit this is actually true
like if somebody creates a world like this it's maybe true that this is exactly what happens
don't you think seriously man i mean and he has a point right because the epsilon for the epsilon
hits totally normal so it is it's not at all a degrade at all it's just any other day and that's
so crazy and yeah so from outside you know that it's degraded or not right yeah yeah exactly so
you have to be an outsider to actually see so like you know i would like to explore that further you
know and i would like to explore that further you know and i would like to explore that further
but it just stuck stuck out to me so much so you know at this point you know the story is like
it's on it's it's in its final you know paces where what happens is like um john and you know
john and bernard and their friend they have a choice to make so they're going to be sent away
to an island which is iceland i believe and this island is you know all the free thinkers of this
world are sent to this island so that they you know they can do their free thinking
there and then you know or whatever this island is and they can be happy there you know those are
less people remaining so they can fit on one island yeah no exactly so bernard and hem holds
or you know i think they make that choice to go to that island however john he wants to face all
the suffering right like he wants to go through the suffering of you know um of you know having
diseases and having you know issues and stuff like that so this this guy he makes the choice to
you know stay back and you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you
know have his own little house or whatever and then you know stay in this world and um you know
this is this is a difficult choice for this is a difficult choice for you know the uh the controller
because he doesn't really understand like why would he want diseases and all that yeah exactly
and i think he wants to feel something you know like this guy like the john just wants to feel
something good you know like where you know he will suffer and like he'll have some life and
you know john's on on a downward spiral now we can see at this point
you know he he goes some something like you know i don't want comfort i want god i want poetry i want
real danger i want freedom i want goodness i want sin so he he wants to experience life you know
all of it so this guy you know he's um he wants to live you know he won't like a cast away and
that's exactly what he does the director you know blesses him saying like okay cool you know you
want to have if you're giving up your right to you know rather do you want the right to become
old and important and you know you're not going to be able to live like a normal person you know
and he goes like you know do you want cancer and do you want like hunger and like all these things
you will have all these things and he's like uh yes i want them all and then he's like okay you're
welcome and then he sends him off so it's kind of crazy and then he just uh you know he he lives on
in in the little house and then every day he starts beating himself i think this this is like
them you know like alluding to the fact that he wanted to prove that he's like a man
in you know in the savage reservation he's beating himself every day and he's like i'm not going to
every day and then back to his yeah basics yeah and then people yeah exactly and then people come
to watch him like like he's a wild animal and the end it's kind of a sad sad story for john because
one day somebody shows up and then john has killed himself he hangs himself so you know um it really
goes to speak that like an outsider you know uh yeah just cannot fit in right yeah just does not
or he wasn't able to fit in and you know this is uh this is something man like you know if you're
just something think about like if you're an outsider in a perfectly conditioned world
you know like you're going to pick unhappiness like that's you know it's just it's going to
happen like if you're not perfectly conditioned like you're going to be unhappy like it's um
you're also going to be happy you know you're also going to like experience life more
but you're going to be unhappy you're going to be you're going to face depression you you'll have
you know um you know everything that life throws at you so kind of a crazy end yeah
so it's it's like a choice basically right so would you want to be happy or would you want to
be free right to to do your own things to have your own decisions to have the life to have control
exactly over your life basically or would you just like to be happy so if you have control over your
life it won't necessarily be happy in fact yeah more often than not it won't be happy but and
you'll have control over your life
right whereas if you're conditioned and happy that's a different that's a different choice
totally different choice so if you if you decide to do something different so the point i guess
we're trying to make here is like if you decide to do something different if you quit your nine
to five job you know if you if you hate your desk job and if you don't show up there anymore and if
you start doing your own thing life's going to be pretty interesting but also sometimes sad
and you know it might not end well like it might end like john like you know you never know of
course like it it might end like john like you know you never know of course like it might end
like you know you never know of course like it might end like john like you know you never know of

in a totally opposite direction as well i mean this is the end of our story but like there is one tweet
that i read recently it said like everything is hard in the beginning and when they say the beginning
they mean the first few years so it is like you know this is uh so yeah that's exactly where it is
you know like stuff is difficult to do exactly so you know but i i honestly believe like at least
my life philosophy is like doing hard things so like i really love doing hard things that you know
i like to challenge myself exactly not get complacent
yeah i mean this is in this is my free choice right like this is what i like to do
take the hard road like i enjoy it i mean you and me we have like mutual friends you know like
we grew up with on stuff like that who are like really happy you know like in their life now it's
like you know they don't they don't challenge themselves necessarily speaking so they're like
screw it you know like you know a certain life but they're happy you know it's like i will at
least hope more power to them right yeah more power like if that works for you like great but
like just imagine like you know like you know like you know like you know like you know like
you know um if this happens to everybody then like i don't i mean it's so hard i don't think
humans were designed for this it's not for me i honestly think like you know humans were designed
to do hard things but you know it's it's an individual like opinion it's not i don't know
i don't know if that's a fact right so uh yeah that's just that's just something to think about
i guess like you know after listening to this podcast like maybe exactly you know what yeah so
we wanted to just get this this crazy
book out there you know you guys can go ahead and read it if you want or you know think about
the concepts that we were talking about it it's it might sound crazy or like that we are talking
about some random stuff that is not relating to us but it is i mean and we are also also spoken
about it in this podcast right like how related it is exactly and i highly recommend reading the
whole thing you you're just going to enjoy it like even though you might you know like you know the
it doesn't matter it's more like yeah i mean listening and maybe you should have started
with no like the spoilers but you know the thing is like the moment you read the moment you read
that book and another book i would recommend is 1984 many people of course have read both these
books but like you know 1984 another amazing book that people should read and you know i see i see
the east as in like the chinese um you know controlled world going more 1984 and then the
american controlled world going bravely
new world but we'll see i mean i might not be long i might not be alive then to see see this
happen but i can see it now like you know it's happening already so kind of interesting i hope
i won't be alive till then yeah i don't live like for seven not a world i'd like to see man not a
world and and i mean just being aware of this and actually like taking you know at least little steps
towards not letting it happen that way at a personal level is also something and you know
so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so
and yeah ideas for podcasts ideas of this podcast or you know anything anything you want to connect
with us and it's it's always awesome and the doors are always open i have friends that want to come
in the podcast so we might do an episode with like guests and stuff and that'll be more chilled out
and we also want to do like love to have that yeah not every podcast is going to be tech or books or
you know it's just whatever we like so it's uh yeah let's wrap it up bro cool all right see you
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